Luke 1:57-80
Here's the sermon for Luke 1:57-80
http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/luke/the-birth-of-john-the-bapt...
As you can see the growth process is really important. For young men to turn out right they need that structure and support system. It doesn't happen by accident. If it did, a lot more young men would be successful in their carrers and relationships.
All through the bible it says teach your children the way they need to go,(Exodus 12:24-27, Duet 6:7, Proverbs 22:6, 29:15). Jesus spent 2000 years before he came building up the support system, and systems that people need to grow and flourish. Jesus didn't just hand himself over to a couple of middle high kids to be raised by them. Mary and Joseph would have had moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas all supporting them as they raised Jesus. And the support of the Rabbis and church to help support them as they raise their family.
Jesus could have chose to been born to a gentile, uneducated, unstructured family but he knew that would not have been the best for him when he was a tender, vulnerable child. We don't think of Jesus needing support as a person, but Jesus is the creator, He's pretty smart. He knew how He had made people and that they needed that system and support to turn out right. Jesus in part was a product of that system (along with having a God nature), John the Baptiser, a godly llittle man, was a product of that system. So were Jesus's parents, and John's parents. None of them turned out well by accident, they grew up right because they had a good support system around them.
When Jesus was bringing his people out of Egypt, after he delivered them from the egyptians, he brought them to Himself at mount Siani (Genesis 19) and began to give them the structure they needed to build the systems and support they would need as a nation to grow and thrive. Dr. Cloud talks about this in his book, "Boundaries,"
https://secure2.convio.net/nlm/site/Ecommerce/762114554?VIEW_PRODUC...
the second phase of the growth process,
https://secure2.convio.net/nlm/site/Ecommerce/314976502?VIEW_PRODUC...
where you start learning what's good and whats bad for relationships and life and then start to structure your relationships, putting limits on sin and encouraging the good things so that one can start to have relationships with God and people that bring them life.
Truth and structure are a huge part of part of developing things so they go right, with out it things fall apart. Humanity had no real structure the first 1500 years of our life and it was a total wash. God had to send the flood to wipe the slate clean and start over with Noah.
If you don't believe what the bible says about the growth, (sanctification process) then you will end up like Moses and be frustrated and angry and exsasperated by the bad fruit you see in yourself and others. (Luke 13:6-7). But But if you believe what the bible says about the growth process. (Luke 13:8-9) with grace and truth and structure, one is able to walk in a path where by they grow up into maturity and bear good fruit along the way and mature over time.. For most people the story stops at Exodus 32 but there are 8 more chapters and a whole lot of books after that in the bible. The 12 chapters before 32 have to deal with structure God was giving Moses, their leader to both train up leaders and train the people on the path of growth and maturity and deeper relationship with God. Jesus doesnt do any thing that's not needed. If he was a legalistic rules guy, He would have had a lot more than one rule in the Garden of Eden. He just had one. But they needed all the extra rules and structure and training to be able to help them grow into the nation with all its parts, Jesus had envisioned for His people. The dream He gave Abraham. (Genesis 12:1-3)
And its all by grace the same way a good father lays down house rules for his kids. Not so they he can get them to love him by performing but for thier good and the good of the house. To deal with their immaturity and sin.
God gave the Isrealites the structure in Exodus and Leviticus, but then they had to spend another 40 years, a whole generation of practicing it, (God's presence and Spirit with them the whole time.) Before they were ready to move on to the promised land. (Book of Numbers)
Being filled with the spirit, happens when we respond to Jesus, and the Holy spririt's prompting and recieve Him. It's not something we earn. God's love can flow into us and He can dwell in us and we in Him. (John 15:1-17). When we bond with God. Just like a Father's love, it flows into us. And in relationships, that grace we recieve, enables us to be able to do the things we need to do to grow and mature and bear good fruit eventually. (Faith, bonding the first stage of the growth process.)
A lot of people think because you have rules and structure in relationship that you are pushing aside the grace. Which is why they don't believe in marriage. They think its redundant. That if the people love each other enough, that will win the day. It doesn't work that way because of our sin nature. People coming into marriage need the structure and boudaries of marriage to help structure the relationship so its like a green house that protects the couples love and helps them sort out the immaturity and sin so the love can grow and blossom.
So some people hawk, being filled with the spirit as a get out of work free card. That it will all be fine and dandy and no more pain and toil and struggle which is a lie.
One of things that Jewish people teach their kids is you need to work hard. If someone tells you that life is a piece of cake and you can get rich quick or there's some short cut to love, don't believe them they are lying and they are right. Genesis 3 says the opposite about both. Relationships and work. Because of the consequences of sin, and dealing with other sinners. Relationships-now there would be power struggles with the ones you love,(Genesis 3:16 You will desire your husband (want to control) and he will rule over you (God's structure-men lead along with sinful proclivity of men to control also) and raising children (Gen 3:16- In pain you will bring forth (raising) children.) And work (Genesis 3:17-19 ) These people that try to hawk the holy spirit are like the fox in the story of pinocchio who told Pinocchio that if he buried his money, it would grow into a money tree the next day, so he could rip him off Of the money he had.
http://www.coveringthemouse.com/images/hddd01.jpg
No work, no struggle. Easy riches. (Btw the classic kids tale is an awesome read, the original french fairy tale. If I had some sons under 12 I would sit down and read it to the. Great intro to real life. Working hard and the consequences of picking the wrong friends and making bad choices.) (along with the grace to grow and be redeemed)
Simon the sorcerer tried to buy the power of the spirit to do miricles because he thought the miricles were something that could be manipulated. . (Acts 8:9-25) Which is pretty evil along with those that would hawk God like he's some sort of prostitute who does parlor tricks for money. (Titus 1:10-11)
Btw talking about the law and principals you find in the OT is not pushing away the grace of the gospel. As I said, some people can think putting structure and rules in a relationship squashes the grace. But it doesn't. Lack of grace, takes away grace.
A. jesus is the one who gave us structure and rules in the relationship, rule in the garden of eden, book of leviticus, and dueteronomy, proverbs, ect but in reality relationships fall apart if you dont' have grace.
Wednesday's show was really good on New life.
http://newlifeaudio.com/2009/11/new-life-live-november-3-2009/
Milan and Jill and Steve talked with the callers, the first one especially about how they would have to structure the relationships, (add boundaries) to be able to change some sinful, broken things, and have things start growing and thriving. God's spirit was there and they did love each other, but they needed that extra structure to make things go right.
http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/luke/the-birth-of-john-the-bapt...
As you can see the growth process is really important. For young men to turn out right they need that structure and support system. It doesn't happen by accident. If it did, a lot more young men would be successful in their carrers and relationships.
All through the bible it says teach your children the way they need to go,(Exodus 12:24-27, Duet 6:7, Proverbs 22:6, 29:15). Jesus spent 2000 years before he came building up the support system, and systems that people need to grow and flourish. Jesus didn't just hand himself over to a couple of middle high kids to be raised by them. Mary and Joseph would have had moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas all supporting them as they raised Jesus. And the support of the Rabbis and church to help support them as they raise their family.
Jesus could have chose to been born to a gentile, uneducated, unstructured family but he knew that would not have been the best for him when he was a tender, vulnerable child. We don't think of Jesus needing support as a person, but Jesus is the creator, He's pretty smart. He knew how He had made people and that they needed that system and support to turn out right. Jesus in part was a product of that system (along with having a God nature), John the Baptiser, a godly llittle man, was a product of that system. So were Jesus's parents, and John's parents. None of them turned out well by accident, they grew up right because they had a good support system around them.
When Jesus was bringing his people out of Egypt, after he delivered them from the egyptians, he brought them to Himself at mount Siani (Genesis 19) and began to give them the structure they needed to build the systems and support they would need as a nation to grow and thrive. Dr. Cloud talks about this in his book, "Boundaries,"
https://secure2.convio.net/nlm/site/Ecommerce/762114554?VIEW_PRODUC...
the second phase of the growth process,
https://secure2.convio.net/nlm/site/Ecommerce/314976502?VIEW_PRODUC...
where you start learning what's good and whats bad for relationships and life and then start to structure your relationships, putting limits on sin and encouraging the good things so that one can start to have relationships with God and people that bring them life.
Truth and structure are a huge part of part of developing things so they go right, with out it things fall apart. Humanity had no real structure the first 1500 years of our life and it was a total wash. God had to send the flood to wipe the slate clean and start over with Noah.
If you don't believe what the bible says about the growth, (sanctification process) then you will end up like Moses and be frustrated and angry and exsasperated by the bad fruit you see in yourself and others. (Luke 13:6-7). But But if you believe what the bible says about the growth process. (Luke 13:8-9) with grace and truth and structure, one is able to walk in a path where by they grow up into maturity and bear good fruit along the way and mature over time.. For most people the story stops at Exodus 32 but there are 8 more chapters and a whole lot of books after that in the bible. The 12 chapters before 32 have to deal with structure God was giving Moses, their leader to both train up leaders and train the people on the path of growth and maturity and deeper relationship with God. Jesus doesnt do any thing that's not needed. If he was a legalistic rules guy, He would have had a lot more than one rule in the Garden of Eden. He just had one. But they needed all the extra rules and structure and training to be able to help them grow into the nation with all its parts, Jesus had envisioned for His people. The dream He gave Abraham. (Genesis 12:1-3)
And its all by grace the same way a good father lays down house rules for his kids. Not so they he can get them to love him by performing but for thier good and the good of the house. To deal with their immaturity and sin.
God gave the Isrealites the structure in Exodus and Leviticus, but then they had to spend another 40 years, a whole generation of practicing it, (God's presence and Spirit with them the whole time.) Before they were ready to move on to the promised land. (Book of Numbers)
Being filled with the spirit, happens when we respond to Jesus, and the Holy spririt's prompting and recieve Him. It's not something we earn. God's love can flow into us and He can dwell in us and we in Him. (John 15:1-17). When we bond with God. Just like a Father's love, it flows into us. And in relationships, that grace we recieve, enables us to be able to do the things we need to do to grow and mature and bear good fruit eventually. (Faith, bonding the first stage of the growth process.)
A lot of people think because you have rules and structure in relationship that you are pushing aside the grace. Which is why they don't believe in marriage. They think its redundant. That if the people love each other enough, that will win the day. It doesn't work that way because of our sin nature. People coming into marriage need the structure and boudaries of marriage to help structure the relationship so its like a green house that protects the couples love and helps them sort out the immaturity and sin so the love can grow and blossom.
So some people hawk, being filled with the spirit as a get out of work free card. That it will all be fine and dandy and no more pain and toil and struggle which is a lie.
One of things that Jewish people teach their kids is you need to work hard. If someone tells you that life is a piece of cake and you can get rich quick or there's some short cut to love, don't believe them they are lying and they are right. Genesis 3 says the opposite about both. Relationships and work. Because of the consequences of sin, and dealing with other sinners. Relationships-now there would be power struggles with the ones you love,(Genesis 3:16 You will desire your husband (want to control) and he will rule over you (God's structure-men lead along with sinful proclivity of men to control also) and raising children (Gen 3:16- In pain you will bring forth (raising) children.) And work (Genesis 3:17-19 ) These people that try to hawk the holy spirit are like the fox in the story of pinocchio who told Pinocchio that if he buried his money, it would grow into a money tree the next day, so he could rip him off Of the money he had.
http://www.coveringthemouse.com/images/hddd01.jpg
No work, no struggle. Easy riches. (Btw the classic kids tale is an awesome read, the original french fairy tale. If I had some sons under 12 I would sit down and read it to the. Great intro to real life. Working hard and the consequences of picking the wrong friends and making bad choices.) (along with the grace to grow and be redeemed)
Simon the sorcerer tried to buy the power of the spirit to do miricles because he thought the miricles were something that could be manipulated. . (Acts 8:9-25) Which is pretty evil along with those that would hawk God like he's some sort of prostitute who does parlor tricks for money. (Titus 1:10-11)
Btw talking about the law and principals you find in the OT is not pushing away the grace of the gospel. As I said, some people can think putting structure and rules in a relationship squashes the grace. But it doesn't. Lack of grace, takes away grace.
A. jesus is the one who gave us structure and rules in the relationship, rule in the garden of eden, book of leviticus, and dueteronomy, proverbs, ect but in reality relationships fall apart if you dont' have grace.
Wednesday's show was really good on New life.
http://newlifeaudio.com/2009/11/new-life-live-november-3-2009/
Milan and Jill and Steve talked with the callers, the first one especially about how they would have to structure the relationships, (add boundaries) to be able to change some sinful, broken things, and have things start growing and thriving. God's spirit was there and they did love each other, but they needed that extra structure to make things go right.
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Comment by Gem on November 5, 2009 at 1:42pm - Along with litterally, that is the spot Jesus would begin preaching. ^^
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Comment by Gem on November 5, 2009 at 1:40pm
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For fun I made a little movie.About what God has developed around us. Sorry could only upload it 5 minutes at a time and its like 7 1/2 minutes. So there's two parts.
Part 1
Part 2
After watching that, its fun to watch a bit of real history and see all the parts that God has developed come to life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbNGnyKyDl4&feature=PlayList&p=B8E7CE34E457337E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
My favorite part is watching part 6 and suddenly Jesus' statement in 4:12-17 Naphtali and Zebulun have seen a great light!
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